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19th-Mar-2008 09:54 pm

Alright so I didn't know much about this sect Scientology, but I stumbled upon some videos on youtube of this woman Tory Christman, who was a member for 30 years but quit a few years ago. And I actually ended up watching a two hour lecture she made at a thing.

Her youtube channel is here:

And the lecture is here:

Now I'm not going to enter the fight against Scientology, but still this was really interesting and I'm glad I watched it. I assumed this cult was kindof harmless except for the people who fell for it, but it seems that it's a bit more than that.

Also that woman is hilarious lol.
19th-Mar-2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
Love the lighting and shadows in that pic :)
22nd-Mar-2008 10:28 pm (UTC)
20th-Mar-2008 01:30 am (UTC)
There is a church of scientology across the street from my uni.

The building is ugly, made of concrete with large glass windows so that you can see into the entire bottom floor of the thing.

Most nights there is a scientologist night watchman sprawled out on a leather sofa inside to make sure no one vandalises the building.

One night years ago, my friends and I left a cake outside the front door and then banged on the window so the watchman ran out to yell at us.

He stepped on the cake, we all laughed.

He shook his fist, went back inside.

What a sad life, duped by a bunch of kids and a sci-fi writer.
22nd-Mar-2008 10:28 pm (UTC)
Well he is in his own little Truman Show I guess.
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20th-Mar-2008 03:15 am (UTC)
christianity is kind of cultish and often I feel like Rudolph because they wont let me join in on their wine and cracker parties every Sunday
20th-Mar-2008 05:54 am (UTC)
Scientology is a religion.

The Church of Scientology is the cult.

There are Scientologists who are not members of the Church of Scientology, though the CoS doesn't recognise them as such.
20th-Mar-2008 10:26 am (UTC)
Funny. You'd think anyone with the sense to stay out of the CoS would also have the sense to forget their mythological nonsense.
20th-Mar-2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
No, I think they're mostly people who didn't get into OT, and who stick with the basics that you learn lower down. If you go to the CoS website, what they SAY they believe is the sort of thing that probably most people would agree with. It's a lot of everyone has a right to be treated nicely, blah blah blah. The sort of thing you get in any religion. So for people getting started, it makes sense.

It's only at OT3, after several years and a HELL of a lot of money that they tell you about Xenu.

I think the other groups ... I forget. There's two of them. I think one is called Free Zone, and the other is called Ron-something. I don't remember that one.
21st-Mar-2008 01:16 am (UTC)
True. I see what you mean. The CoS ramps up the crazy as you "progress", not revealing the "aliens and volcanos and space jets" until you've spent thousands of dollars and years being brainwashed into a mental state where you'll believe anything they tell you to believe. But at the beginning, they present a more sensible, benevolent face - like "We just want to help unhappy people to function better" - which, to anyone knowing much about how CoS really operates, is very, very creepy. Because they sound so sane. But I refuse to acknowledge that there's anything in Scientology, even the low-level, seemingly benevolent stuff, that's not somehow tainted by L Ron Hubbard's greed, megalomania, and psychopathy.
21st-Mar-2008 08:11 pm (UTC)
But I refuse to acknowledge that there's anything in Scientology, even the low-level, seemingly benevolent stuff, that's not somehow tainted by L Ron Hubbard's greed, megalomania, and psychopathy.

Not to mention insanity. The more I learn about him, the more I'm pretty sure he was a schizophrenic who was so cynical of psychiatrists b/c they wanted to treat him with medication. Hence their huge paranoia about psychiatry. I think the Xenu story was a delusion, hence the paranoia and need to keep it silent.
22nd-Mar-2008 10:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah well it's all bullshit to me :p
20th-Mar-2008 06:52 am (UTC)
There were some protesters across the street from the cult HQ in Battle Creek this past weekend, with signs for http://www.xenu.net/ for people to find out the truth....
20th-Mar-2008 12:30 pm (UTC)
lol! i didn't realize there was an HQ in Battle Creek. i am from the Kalamazoo area originally but used to work in BC, and i find the whole idea of it being in BC hilarious.
23rd-Mar-2008 06:13 am (UTC)
I wasn't aware of one, either. I was in Battle creek for the weekend... it made the newspaper as they mentioned one arrest for a protester refusing to remove a mask when asked to by the police.
Hail Xenu! I always get Xena and Xenu mixed up.
20th-Mar-2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
yeah, it's an amazing amount of bullshit... and it's even more amazing that so many people are willing to give up crazy amounts of money for it.

i remember about 7 or 8 years ago reading about the details of scientology on the internet and just being amazed that anyone could actually fall for it. i think it was xenu.net that i stumbled on... definitely check it out if you want to read all the crazy sci-fi shit that they actually promote as truth.
22nd-Mar-2008 10:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah that's the big site I guess. I think I have had my share of info now though.
20th-Mar-2008 05:57 pm (UTC) - South Park, Trapped in the Closet
this says all you need to know regarding scientology



22nd-Mar-2008 10:30 pm (UTC) - Re: South Park, Trapped in the Closet
I saw parts of it before on youtube...
20th-Mar-2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
All religions are cults.
22nd-Mar-2008 10:31 pm (UTC)
Well not really. It's not the same...
21st-Mar-2008 12:02 pm (UTC)

22nd-Mar-2008 10:31 pm (UTC)
Poor turtle...
17th-Apr-2008 02:33 pm (UTC) - Scientology as science fiction writer creation
Ron Hubbard created Scientology as a serious sort of joke. I understand he himself was never a member. Why should he have been: he created it as a snake-oil for the gullible and desperate non-thinkers who fell for it. An alien civilization as creators of us on earth? DUH! Shades of Theosophy with the Himilayan "secret" "adepts" and the Hale-Bopp comet spaceship! No wonder they take cyanide.