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so i'm not so sure about going to america again any time soon 
13th-Jun-2008 02:52 pm

I have a lot of online and real life friends in the US, and many are nice and want me to come visit. I don't think I will be visiting again any time soon though. The airport security over there is such a turnoff, and it just makes it easy to choose somewhere else to travel. I went to California 4 years ago and it took ages to get through it all. The staff there treated passangers like shit, with the attitude that we were all already terrorists and criminals. I really don't understand the purpose of this. Of course they need to stay professional, but they don't have to be disrespectful and unpleasant.

That was 4 years ago, and I've been told that it is a lot worse now :/

And I've read that they have the right to make you log into your laptop and email now, and go through it if they want to. I mean, what the hell?

Like I said, it makes it easier to choose to travel somewhere else :P
13th-Jun-2008 12:59 pm (UTC)
im with you,
once i can garter a good amount of money im out of here, especially of McCain wins the election.

I'm not sticking around for all the new bullshit.

Im thinking germany or London... hmm

13th-Jun-2008 01:06 pm (UTC)
13th-Jun-2008 01:12 pm (UTC) - that isn't nice
They have also the right to collect a lot of information they ever could get of every traveller who stays on american ground, even if they just have a stopover. The EU have a douptful bilateral agreement with the USA which commits the Airlines to give every information they have about you. Par example formerly travels to wherever, together with whoever, e-mail adresses, bankconnections, etcetera. In additional with that “there treated passangers like shit, with the attitude that we were all already terrorists and criminals” - have to give your fingerprints etc. is that the reason why i nevermore will set my feet on american ground. Last time we went to Mexico we make sure that it couldn't happen...
Anyway sorry for the american people, they're nice and ok for sure. but the government does so much shit.
der olafson
13th-Jun-2008 08:38 pm (UTC) - Re: that isn't nice
Yap yap. Not a cool government...
13th-Jun-2008 01:39 pm (UTC) - Welcome to the United States - please remove your shoes
You have a good point; travel to and in the U.S. by air is a hassle and probably will never be trouble free again. I guess you know that European travelers to the U.S. now have to register on-line before boarding flights to the U.S. Thank you Osama bin Laden.

On the other hand, bureaucrats the world over can be a pain in the ass. I’ve encountered snotty British immigration officials at Heathrow in the UK, bitchy tram ticket agents in the Netherlands (I did not carry my passport with me at all times). Also, on an ICE train from Germany to the Netherlands, the Dutch police boarded and read the riot act to a guy (German citizen) who left his passport at home in Germany.

Little people with power, bureaucrats, sometimes let it go to their head.

The world is a different place. The good thing is that once you clear customs and immigration, we are really pretty decent people.
13th-Jun-2008 08:39 pm (UTC) - Re: Welcome to the United States - please remove your shoes
Lol did you ever meet French bereaucrats? They are not really obsessed with power but they are sooo lazy and they really don't give a shit about helping you :P
13th-Jun-2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
The US is an amazing place to visit by getting in can be tiresome... Some US border protection officials are polite and professional. However some can be quite abrasive, which leads to a very unpleasant experience.

As far as I understand it, they are allowed to search all of you, all of your bags and can access your entire laptop hard drive if they want to. They can even clone you HDD for later analysis. That does seem intrusive to me, but the authorities argue that it’s necessary.

The general advice I get is to pack smart and remain polite, but you can still get unlucky...

The funny thing is that there are still countries out there where business class travellers are out of the airport and in a taxi before the last of the economy passengers even disembark the airplane. No joke, this still happens.
13th-Jun-2008 08:40 pm (UTC)
Seem abusive to you???

It's insane! I really didn't believe it until someone showed me a serious newspaper article about it...
13th-Jun-2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
I live here.... trust me there are other more exotic places to go... or at least places where you can get through the airport without a road map and a cavity search..... i hear toronto is nice
13th-Jun-2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
No no but I'm not dissing your country as a destination. I really enjoyed my stay in California and there are other places there I'm sure would be cool to see. Especially since I have friends there :)
13th-Jun-2008 02:47 pm (UTC)
I heard Canada's nice. It's almost America, except cooler.
13th-Jun-2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
Toronto sounds cool I think ^^
13th-Jun-2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
I really don't understand the purpose of this.

Because it's Fortress Americana ;)

Canada wasn't much better in my opinion. T___T But they were polite in Toronto.
13th-Jun-2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
Hah yeah maybe...
13th-Jun-2008 03:40 pm (UTC) - This post makes me sad.
The reason this post makes me sad is that I am sure you are not the only person who feels this way. It is a shame. It is things like this that honestly make me ASHAMED to be an American. I've traveled many places in my past years; France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Philippines, Taiwan, Costa Rica, and The Dominican Republic, each time the worst part about the trip was reentry to the Estados Unidos. I am sorry you feel this way Markus, but I can not blame you.

I wish we did not hold "enemy combatants" at Gitmo for years on end without trial. I wish we did not wiretap American citizens just for fun. I wish we did not have a detailed unlawful torture plan OKed by the powers that be. I wish we did not have 4,100 dead solders in Iraq and the ones that have managed to stay alive John McCain seems to think its "not too important" for them to return, but we do, and that is America.

So if I were you, I'd stay far away.

What a shame.

Visit Switzerland.
13th-Jun-2008 04:39 pm (UTC) - Re: This post makes me sad.
Aww please don't blame yourself :( It's not you, it's the Government and those others in power.

Bless ya.

13th-Jun-2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
i've traveled to quite a few countries lately, and i honestly don't think the airport security in the US was any worse than what i experienced in europe.

immigration/passport/customs control - that's a different story. hands down, the US is the worst.
13th-Jun-2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
still americas fault though :P

if the airports over here didn't up the security to the us governments approval they would refuse to fly there. my friend works at the airport in paris and she says most of the stuff added these last year was because of american pressure.
13th-Jun-2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
I feel bad that American actions keep the good people away...because I bet these elevated "security protections" will never result in saving one life...

When did anyone take down a plane with a nail-clipper?

I hope things will change come Nov.
13th-Jun-2008 08:45 pm (UTC)
Fingers crossed :)
13th-Jun-2008 08:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, airport/border controls are really ridiculous here. I had a pretty terrible experience while coming back across the border from Tijuana last year - we walked there and back with virtually no belongings (except a guitar), and they held me and my friends up for about 30 minutes because we didn't have passports. We're foreign-born U.S. nationals, with student ID cards, credit cards, American driver's licenses, etc. Speak flawless English. Yet they approached us as if we were illegal immigrants trying to sneak in. So fucking aggravating.

The airports are no better - especially San Francisco and L.A. NOT WORTH IT.
13th-Jun-2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's a good idea to bring your passport when you travel abroad though :P

But yeah it's their stupid attitude. Like you're already guilty of something.
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13th-Jun-2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
Marcus, I would *love* to have you come and visit again. The invitation is always open (even though I'll be on another coast). The bonus? America would be cheap as all hell for you to visit given the current exchange rate.

The downside is everything you've mentioned and more. I'm even worried about traveling out of borders because it appears even our civil rights are suspended there.

I have decided if I do travel internationally I will first be erasing all text messages and pictures from my phone, also call history. if I have a lap top, I will be sending it to myself through the mail, and not carry it with me on the plane. It seems to be what the executives are doing. Thankfully this is coming back up in court. We have laws against unlawful search and seizure. But our courts have been slow as hell in upholding it. :(
13th-Jun-2008 10:12 pm (UTC)
Don't worry travelling out of your borders! If civil right means to use torture, to rob foreign countries, to impose anyone your will, to kill children for oil, so ok, I would live without that easely. I guess, every country is much more safe where guns are not in every mans hand.
By the way: isn't that a pretty freedom, when you have to hide yourself from your own government? And I know, that's the same in many other countries.
der olafson
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13th-Jun-2008 10:30 pm (UTC)
I'm a US citizen and because I look Northern African (and my name is on a watch list because of a smuggling conviction) I get stopped all of the fucking time at airports and I pretty much only fly whenever I have to return to Europa.
13th-Jun-2008 10:40 pm (UTC)
Canada? :D
Toronto's got some pretty cool festivities happening throughout the summer. and of course there's the stampede in Calgary, or the Rockies :)
15th-Jun-2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
i had no idea about the laptop and e-mail thing. thats just wrong. But still wish for ya to come to NY